As simple as possible to summarize the best way you can, first, please. Feel free to expand after, or just say whatever you want lol. Honest question.

    • Manmoth@lemmy.ml
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      13 hours ago

      Just for the sake of argument… According to what standard? Yours? Why should we follow your standard?

      • Geodad@lemm.eeEnglish
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        9 hours ago

        My standard is logic, reason, and evidence.

        Why shouldn’t you follow my standard?

        • Manmoth@lemmy.ml
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          9 hours ago

          From my other comment:

          Arguments for God’s existence (such as classical theistic arguments) are not merely isolated truth claims—they function at the paradigmatic level, offering a foundation for knowledge itself.

          If you deny God’s existence, you must account for the reliability of reason, logic, and abstract universals like mathematics. If these are simply “self-evident,” then you’re assuming the very thing your worldview has no means to justify.

          Assuming you don’t believe in God…

          without a transcendent source of rationality, why assume logic is binding or that it applies universally?

          Basically you’re in no position to determine whether God is imperfect or not if you can’t justify the tools you use to make that assessment.

            • Manmoth@lemmy.ml
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              3 hours ago

              I just did using the transcendental argument. God is the necessary precondition for universals such as logic and reason. They exist therefore God exists and these universal metaphysics are a reflection of his divine mind.

              What is the epistemic justification for your world view? Make sure not to use universals or subjective experience because the former is in question and the latter is arbitrary.

    • IttihadChe@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      1 day ago

      I don’t believe it would. Perfection can, and insofar as perfection exists in our reality does, exist alongside perceived contradiction as contradiction exists in all things.

      • Geodad@lemm.eeEnglish
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        1 day ago

        Also, that’s fallacious logic to think that imperfection doesn’t make the thing imperfect.

      • Geodad@lemm.eeEnglish
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        1 day ago

        The god that the isrealites originally worshipped was a rather weak storm god.

        Somehow over the centuries, its cult has conflated it into some all powerful entity.

        If it were to stay in its original manifestation, I still wouldn’t believe it existed, but I would take a more agnostic approach to it - as I do with gods from other myths.